Comments on: Ooma Arrives http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives a multi-tasked stream of consciousness or perhaps just emails to myself Mon, 12 Jul 2010 03:53:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: OOMA CORDLESS DUAL USE PHONES - Dogpile Web Search http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives/comment-page-1#comment-401975 OOMA CORDLESS DUAL USE PHONES - Dogpile Web Search Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:06:15 +0000 http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives#comment-401975 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Reviews, Compares and Buy Now. Sponsored by: Amazon.com [Found on Ads by Yahoo!] 8. Ooma Arrives ... cordless phones walk around our home, it's quite possible to have the phone ring ... for [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Reviews, Compares and Buy Now. Sponsored by: Amazon.com [Found on Ads by Yahoo!] 8. Ooma Arrives … cordless phones walk around our home, it’s quite possible to have the phone ring … for [...]

]]> By: Dennis http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives/comment-page-1#comment-285859 Dennis Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:02:30 +0000 http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives#comment-285859 While I don't deny that the security and privacy concerns are real, I think the question of the value of Ooma is much simpler. Will I EVER get $400 worth (or $600 worth after 2008) of calls/voicemail out of the box? How long will it last? How long does it take to "break even"? What is the warranty? What is the replacement cost if it dies? What do I lose in terms of quality, reliability etc. in the mean time? IOW, is it really worth all the trouble? For me, I don't spend enough on US domestic calls to ever make it worthwhile and there are better/cheaper alternatives for cool voicemail (with voicemalil-to-email that Ooma lacks). While I don’t deny that the security and privacy concerns are real, I think the question of the value of Ooma is much simpler. Will I EVER get $400 worth (or $600 worth after 2008) of calls/voicemail out of the box? How long will it last? How long does it take to “break even”? What is the warranty? What is the replacement cost if it dies? What do I lose in terms of quality, reliability etc. in the mean time? IOW, is it really worth all the trouble? For me, I don’t spend enough on US domestic calls to ever make it worthwhile and there are better/cheaper alternatives for cool voicemail (with voicemalil-to-email that Ooma lacks).

]]> By: John F http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives/comment-page-1#comment-284467 John F Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:37:15 +0000 http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives#comment-284467 Dennis Peng, you say "We also have algorithmic and hardware counter measures to detect and prevent line-tapping. Rest assured, no one will be listening to your phone calls." But you never go into details. You honestly don't expect customer just to take your word for it? You should clarify do you mean its in impossible for someone to listen or just hard and under most cases detectable? If you do somehow detect it while in the middle of a call what happens? Does the call get dropped? Also how do you detect an induction phone tap? I find it very unlikely you have the capability to detect an induction phone tap in a $400 device. Please explain. Without answers, how do you expect the potential customers to be secure about their calls. Also I will assume that without answer, you CANNOT detect or prevent induction phone taps, and therefore our calls are not safe. Make your own induction phone tap http://www.unterzuber.com/tap.html Dennis Peng, you say “We also have algorithmic and hardware counter measures to detect and prevent line-tapping. Rest assured, no one will be listening to your phone calls.”

But you never go into details. You honestly don’t expect customer just to take your word for it?

You should clarify do you mean its in impossible for someone to listen or just hard and under most cases detectable?

If you do somehow detect it while in the middle of a call what happens? Does the call get dropped?

Also how do you detect an induction phone tap? I find it very unlikely you have the capability to detect an induction phone tap in a $400 device.

Please explain. Without answers, how do you expect the potential customers to be secure about their calls. Also I will assume that without answer, you CANNOT detect or prevent induction phone taps, and therefore our calls are not safe.

Make your own induction phone tap
http://www.unterzuber.com/tap.html

]]> By: Mike P http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives/comment-page-1#comment-279574 Mike P Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:43:40 +0000 http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives#comment-279574 Notice that Peng (as others before him) keep referring to the security methods provided "over the Internet" (like encryption). That's nice, but the question about privacy (someone else monitoring your conversations by listening in on their own telephone line) have not been answered, except to say that OOMA has invented some "magic" to prevent "line-tapping". I've described the simple circuit on my web site to do it undetected. Sorry, I don't believe that OOMA has been able to defy the laws of electricity! Notice that Peng (as others before him) keep referring to the security methods provided “over the Internet” (like encryption). That’s nice, but the question about privacy (someone else monitoring your conversations by listening in on their own telephone line) have not been answered, except to say that OOMA has invented some “magic” to prevent “line-tapping”. I’ve described the simple circuit on my web site to do it undetected.

Sorry, I don’t believe that OOMA has been able to defy the laws of electricity!

]]> By: Jonathan Greene http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives/comment-page-1#comment-279086 Jonathan Greene Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:01:02 +0000 http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives#comment-279086 Glad to hear you are encrypting ... It would be nice if you guys were more forward with that detail (like Skype)... I think it will really keep the "hate" level down. Glad to hear you are encrypting … It would be nice if you guys were more forward with that detail (like Skype)… I think it will really keep the “hate” level down.

]]> By: Dennis Peng http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives/comment-page-1#comment-279084 Dennis Peng Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:53:22 +0000 http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives#comment-279084 ooma uses sophisticated technology to ensure the security and privacy of our customer's communication. Unlike other residential VoIP service providers, all signaling and media plane traffic over the Internet is encrypted with state-of-the-art cryptographic algorithms. We also have algorithmic and hardware counter measures to detect and prevent line-tapping. Rest assured, no one will be listening to your phone calls. ooma uses sophisticated technology to ensure the security and privacy of our customer’s communication. Unlike other residential VoIP service providers, all signaling and media plane traffic over the Internet is encrypted with state-of-the-art cryptographic algorithms. We also have algorithmic and hardware counter measures to detect and prevent line-tapping. Rest assured, no one will be listening to your phone calls.

]]> By: Jonathan Greene http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives/comment-page-1#comment-275618 Jonathan Greene Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:05:02 +0000 http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives#comment-275618 They are activating the Call Forwarding feature I know that ... I'll be watching my future bill to see what's up there. As far as the P2P stuff or monitoring... I'm not concerned honestly. If someone wants to hear us ordering pizza or talking with family that's no big deal. Nothing to hide and nothing of value in the conversation. They are activating the Call Forwarding feature I know that … I’ll be watching my future bill to see what’s up there.

As far as the P2P stuff or monitoring… I’m not concerned honestly. If someone wants to hear us ordering pizza or talking with family that’s no big deal. Nothing to hide and nothing of value in the conversation.

]]> By: Mike P http://www.atmasphere.net/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives/comment-page-1#comment-275610 Mike P Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:42:35 +0000 http://www.atmasphere.net/wp/archives/2007/08/10/ooma-arrives#comment-275610 Wonder how your wife will feel when you tell her that all her long-distance calls go through someone else's hub and their phone line, and that they can listen in with rather simple circuitry. And how will you feel when you are held responsible for illegal calls made by unknown people using your phone line. You said it's a mystery to you how the P2P works. Well, it's a security and privacy nightmare, but OOMA isn't telling people that. And check your phone bill carefully to see if you are now being charged for Call Forwarding on Busy. Bet you are. Wonder how your wife will feel when you tell her that all her long-distance calls go through someone else’s hub and their phone line, and that they can listen in with rather simple circuitry. And how will you feel when you are held responsible for illegal calls made by unknown people using your phone line.

You said it’s a mystery to you how the P2P works. Well, it’s a security and privacy nightmare, but OOMA isn’t telling people that.

And check your phone bill carefully to see if you are now being charged for Call Forwarding on Busy. Bet you are.

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